Hello everyone. As we all know, DeviantArt has implemented a very ill-conceived new program called "Core Membership", where the prices of a premium membership are now astronomical, and nobody will be able to afford it. I've encountered many people that have left that site to join Artrift, and I'd have to congratulate them for making the right decision. I was an aspiring artist/graphic designer hoping to get my work noticed to a large audience, but DA has put profit over people, and there's no point in going back. If anybody else is here for the same reason, I'd like you to know that you are not alone.
Gene, you've just described exactly what's wrong with that site. Pretty soon, it'll be just another imgur, really nothing good to see. There's also, obviously, the greed problem.
@Metal Python-

Sorry, what exactly was wrong with Imgur? I'm not on the up-and-up, and I've used it for image sharing before.
Sorry, I don't use Imgur enough to know how it is now. It's just a picture sharing site, and DA is starting to look like it too. Rather than post real art, people are posting memes, screenshots, and *rolls eyes* copious amounts of fanart of whatever's popular right now (in this case, it's Undertale). Most of these aren't even made by the people that posted them. It's getting real annoying.
I'll be honest: I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered pandering to a fanbase or demographic to make some money off commissions. After all, money is money right? Especially when you're an artist trying to work off minimum to no income.

However, I whole heartedly agree that the general issue being discussed here with most popular media sites is a lack of depth, creativity, diplomacy, and most importantly, lack of political transparency. That's why I found Artrift, it's a good place to start fresh and not worry about money or mainstream culture: it's just people who want to share their art and expand the platform.

That being said, I'm not saying everyone on sites like YouTube, deviantArt or tumblr have the intention of selling out or etcetera. Just that it seems to be a series of fluctuating issue that arose with the inception of massive social media.
I've seen a ton of complaints about Tumblr as well. The whole "messaging system" thing kinda bothers me.
William See said...

I'll be honest: I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered pandering to a fanbase or demographic to make some money off commissions. After all, money is money right? Especially when you're an artist trying to work off minimum to no income.

However, I whole heartedly agree that the general issue being discussed here with most popular media sites is a lack of depth, creativity, diplomacy, and most importantly, lack of political transparency. That's why I found Artrift, it's a good place to start fresh and not worry about money or mainstream culture: it's just people who want to share their art and expand the platform.

That being said, I'm not saying everyone on sites like YouTube, deviantArt or tumblr have the intention of selling out or etcetera. Just that it seems to be a series of fluctuating issue that arose with the inception of massive social media.


I've been hearing that more people are leaving DA, so It wouldn't surprise me if it gives up the ghost in ten years. They'll have to come up with yet another dumb excuse to alienate the users even more.
Tumblr users are a bit more active, they would pay others works more attention, but they're mostly mute xD Furaffinity community is much livelier and would actually interact with each other. I didn't want to feel isolated anymore, and I remembered how much fun was being a part of sonic-world community in it's prime. It was a small gallery, everyone knew each other, people were active and friendly. That's why I had to search for other places than DA, and found Artrift eventually.
Yeah, I very recently just found this site, and seeing the smaller (and artist friendlier) community is certainly a breath of fresh air. DeviantArt has just gone to shit... When I say such, I mean with respect to the beginning and intermediate artists. Now I don't mean to sound like I'm throwing hate at the much more experienced and popular artists on the site. However, with DA's current interface, it glorifies them, and tramples all those who aren't digital artists or soft porn creators that charge $50 for a fucking sketch. There's nothing wrong with wanting to do commissions for such prices since they're in a standpoint where they can do that, but for those starting out, don't get me wrong. At least on here, I've noticed artists of all skill levels are shown and featured equally, where DA showcases "the best of the best" (aka the select 20 artists who have been on the site for years) and then sweeps everyone else under the rug. And the whole "More from DeviantArt" feature? it's like a punch to the nuts, like saying, "lol your art is okay.... BUT here's INFINITELY BETTER PIECES by someone with 50 years more skill!!111 look at them and ignore this loser!!111"


so yeah there's my rant for the morning about a broken site.
William See said...

I'll be honest: I'd be lying if I said I haven't considered pandering to a fanbase or demographic to make some money off commissions. After all, money is money right? Especially when you're an artist trying to work off minimum to no income.

I think some of us here have considered it as one point or another, myself included.

That being said, even if the intent on going to dA was to make money off of commissions, it would be pretty much impossible nowadays. I think anyone who has been on dA for a period of time will know that the approach to commissions on dA changed when the dA points system was rolled out. It caused this shift to where people start charging based on points instead of money now, and even if the points could be converted, the conversion system for the dA point system (80 dA points = 1 USD) created this really odd artificial market, it would be pretty hard when competing against someone who is charging 10 points (12.5 cents) for a work.

Just thought I'd toss that tidbit out there.
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I'm a Illegal Immigrant from DeviantArt trying the fleet the website from their chaos. Planning to recruit few people to their website instead of overrated drama whore.
http://platzkart.ru/
DevaintArt isn't really a bad website, but a bad example too. Face it! They stole the Russian website logo. Only we can contact the person and sent them a link to DevaintArt.
For me leaving DA felt strange, although I believe it was for the best. Some days ago I decided to go and search for art there as I did back in the day for inspiration (and to "refine" my art taste) and what I found, apart from popular art I've already seen, was a bunch of screenshots and rushed art, which made me feel really bad as I'm sure there are a lot of hardworking artists buried under all those posts.
In addition, from what I've heard and seen they don't even try to protect their artists anymore and encourage or seem neutral (which leads to the same issues) towards tracing and theft (in fact, that terrible article about theft they did made me decide to leave...).

Even though, I have to say that I'm completely okay with fanart. I enjoy looking at it, I love drawing fanart myself and it has allowed me to find artists/shows/books/videogames/etc. I wouldn't have found otherwise. I'd rather say DA's problem is rushed, poorly done (in terms of effort), fanservice-y (made to please the fans and earn money) "fanart" (*cough* sonic/mlp/whatever mspaint unoriginal OCs *cough*), or "art" in general (unoriginal fursonas with a fringe and hideous colours). But that's just my opinion.

Regarding Tumblr, it's a great source of inspiration for me. I keep an art blog and a resource blog and it has been really helpful, but it might be a bit difficult to get noticed there (and the reply/private message system is terrible; it won't even allow you to send a url, at least last time I tried). Same goes for Instagram (although Instagram users seem a bit more active).

Finding Artrift was great and I'd like to help the site grow but I wonder how could I contribute effectively (I've thought about writing some art resources/tablet info posts myself but I don't know if they would be really helpful...). Anyway, I hope Artrift becomes more popular
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Zezet said...

Finding Artrift was great and I'd like to help the site grow but I wonder how could I contribute effectively (I've thought about writing some art resources/tablet info posts myself but I don't know if they would be really helpful...). Anyway, I hope Artrift becomes more popular

I think that writing art resource articles would be a great way to contribute! We could use a few more of those around here Grin
Haven't so much fled it as I have broadened my horizons. I, too, feel like DeviantArt's best days are behind it, and I am working on getting my name out there a bit, so growing new sites are really where it's at now.

I was okay with the core membership. What I wasn't okay with was the Bullying and Marxist hate combined with some of the world's stupidest Nazi wannebees and just plain angry bitch attitude. Listen I am a fascist...But Hitler was the dumbest of the Fascist and one of the most messed up men in the world. He was a pedophile, a self-hating bisexual one of the worst art snobs in History. I much prefer Musilini before he became Hitler's little bitch as he promoted creative freedom and intellectualism and not the horrid racism and insanity of Germany under the Nazis. Deviant Art especially makes the whole idea of internet tribes even more insane. Your either a Holocaust Denying Idiot Nazi Lolicon or your a Crazed Radical Feminist Atheist Communist who believes that everyone who disagrees is a evil Nazi. There is no middle ground and if you try to take the middle ground your a troll. Any outside of the few narrow spectrums is cyberbullied to the extreme without end. It is one of the worst places to post art!